Malaysia Real Estate

[kohts]

I open this thread as I really like to share my view on Gated & Guarded communities.
I am AGAINST it........
Why?
i) During my stint in Europe country; such as London, I noticed this as houses are built even without gates ......, Well some might has its interior gate but gated and guarded is not ever a hot thing. One of the reason is because if you will to block and secluded areas to only certain area; you will get civic leaders protesting on discrimination and even be look down as they have strong civic mind. Most will get into big trouble by even blocking the road.

ii) Why? Because you are encouraging seclusion of communities. Those without gated and guarded will be further discriminated as high crime – low quality area. Security should be the basic rights of every national regardless of its standard in the country. A poor person should have the same security rights as a rich person for fairness and equality. I totally agree with that. If not then law is not fair and rich people can further get special treatment.

iii) The previous history when gated and guarded is ‘Hot & Popular’ was during the communist period or during the german Nazis’ period..... and people view it as disgrace and limitation of freedom. But we have different scenario here. We paid and enjoy such limitations of freedom just and used security as a reason.

iv) And such feature is more and more of a sign of Taiko / underworld operation. Ok if you don’t employ our security company, we will arrange some visits to the house in your area, buy off the polices and then your house price drop. Then later after you scare and we will come in as your saviour but you have to pay protection money la.

v) For those gated and guarded communities, its not free. You pay high monthly maintenance charge for all the roads and environment which is not necessary in the pass and free to everybody before.

vi) Thanks to it, the police could offer more slack to encourage so that you take care of your own security.

vii) Does this really solve the security of Malaysia as a whole? It’s not really and in fact it making it worst. Who do you think is employed to guard your gated and guarded. Its all those low and cheap labour which is actually the main reason this security issues started, and you further improve their employability chances.

In fact now it is more and more of rich people can have better security and the crooks go to all the poor people place.

If you want security, the best is treat your neighbours and community well and be like families and it improves the securities. Just like a malay kampong with no gates or what but crooks felt more threatened as they know the whole community watch over each other and will come after them.

Isn’t the world ironic in many sense?

[tploh]

I won't choose Gated & Guarded as well, given its high monthly fees.

Probably I don't have a lot to be stolen to start with. But, if so KS, then why not stay in condo - G&G + facilities ?

I still like my feet to stand on solid ground. So, I am ok with DST un-G&G.

[Enchanted]

[quote="kohts"]I open this thread as I really like to share my view on Gated & Guarded communities.
I am AGAINST it........
Why?

Isn’t the world ironic in many sense?[/quote]



Actually US nowdays also like gated & guarded. But at least they have pistol and semi auto rifles. So they can serve as real deterrent.

However in Msia if you are robbed don't expect the jaga to come to your rescue. They will help you call the police thats all. This real happen in Kota Kemuning they know about robberies going on but they just call the police.

They also afraid of the robbers. Usually the robbers are arm with parang and even pistol. What do u expect for rm800 salary. They are not going to risk their lives for you. Yes I do agree they are useless. They are best at stopping petty thiefs from stealing your clothes or perverts from srealing women underwear.

[linustw]

dun see what is the big deal!

Like it or hate it, at least you still got a choice of GG or non GG. No one is forcing it down your throat.

GG doesn't mean you can unlock yr main door and sleep soundly at night.

It's just an extension of "border" typically from your main door to include common area. I dun see why casual ppl should be allow to stand rite outside your gate, stick promotional ads or tai yee long label on all the lamp post, throwing junk mails into your mail box and etc...

dun se any reason why we should put up with substandard streetscape and landscape maintenance, overgrown weed at playground and damages to children playground which potentially could hurt children.

[eijilee]

It is the fact that G+G concept is getting more and more popular nowadays in Bolehland. Like it or not, you have to accept it.


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[kohts]

My point is that:

a) Dont you feel that it is a kind of cooperatives between so many parties in encouraging gated and guarded playing on our Kiasi and Kiasu attitude. The thieves, the guard, the police, the developer all playing their part to maximise their profit on us?
How come is it possible that for one by one a safe neighbourhood was suddenly has a spike of crime, than the security company come in.... or new launch of gated and guarded development?

b) As we know, most of it is the low cost labour which can just make a kill and return home. The gated and guarded scheme is doing its part in encouraging it by hiring more low cost labour. So at the end, we users are the major losers when the thief, security company, developer profits. Do we reduce the amount of thief in the country! no! we are just encouraging the practice more and more and provide employment oppurtunity!

c) There is other more efficient security meassures like 24 hours video survellience, panic button, dogs, close relationship between neighbours and etc. It is really very inefficient to have small cluster of security conclaves in the country. Just imagine, do you want a power generator in your house or do you want the national power grid. Same principle, It should be done nationally as a whole else if you encourage power generator, you built a team of lobbyist which will lobby and try anyway to maintain the inefficiency for profit just like in Nigeria where power remains a major issue till now due to the generator vendor and lobbyist.

d) In human conscience and good karma, we should not encourage different security level to different type of people. Is it ok if a rich man is protected and a porr man get robbed? Is it the society we want to be in?

Just have a thought, and I am just doing my small part for the betterment of the society.

[whynmy]

brader ah...i dun understand yr point. Maybe me slow or wht but wht's d msg or is dis some sort of a secret msg like spyvs spy???

u wan security but dun wan gated n guarded is it?
u wan security but dun wanna pay?
u wan polis to patrol yr hse?
u wan cheap pdt but dun wan cheap labor?

sorry la....so many ? but dis mornin me blur blur..

[kohts]

[kohts]

[kohts]

Uncle Darly might tease me again on my "Mao' approach.

But my opinion is that, the further the gap of rich and poor people, the nearer of us into social unrest and disorder.

America is suffering the pinacle of such when small bunch of people in goldman and jp earns tons of money and the local people suffers. If it is not Obama the president, the situation will have exploded.

China has went tru this period due to too big a gap between the rich and poor, the people riot and the outcome is the socialism currently, which is becoming the 2nd largest superpower in the world.

The most recent one will be the Indonesion riot when the majority poor venge their anger on the few rich when the gap is too large.

Just for comparison.... that should we encourage the gap and seclusion of the rich from the poor?

[whynmy]

[kohts]

[trojan]

kohts, do u install grille for your house?
if u do, u r just slapping ur face... grille is not cheap too, at least few thousands for a house. u think all poor and rich people can also pay for the grille? btw, kampung house dun hv grille.

about the 24 hours video survellience, panic button... isn't that ur own money pocket as well? isn't tat only the rich can hv this features??? unless u expect gov to sponsor all this.

wat makes paying for g&g discriminate the poor, but paying expensive survellience system, strong grille not?

[Cannot Tahan]

Aiyoyo Ah Koths,

Since u can only afford BSJ, why do u care about G & G.

When u can afford, then only u think like or not lar..

[Cannot Tahan]

[ysmn]

kohts,

On this topic, I agree with you 200%.

It's one big marketing gimmick, money generating machine for "service providers", and a total rip-off to the many kiasu and kiasi customers, and I do not visit friends who life in such places, whatever the occassion.
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[justcar]

[ysmn]

[justcar]

[assaji]

Perceptions are based on experience. If you had your house broken into, woken up at knifepoint at 3 am , had 4 ugly strangers stomp thru your room or had your daughter raped, I'm sure that'll help you form some strong opinions on G&G concept.

[kohts]

So this noon have lunch witht my chui sui buddies - weekend ma, and raise up this topics for discussion.

Heated lo again on both side of debate.

There is one point which is very hard to counter.

I agree with your points of such guarded and gated scheme has its negative influences. But tell me, when the overall security is deteriorting due to maybe even the factors as said by you; could you fault a father which is able to pay more to protect his family better?
Could you just place your self ideals as the up most priority and put your family at risk?? For example the RM100 security charge in your neighbourhood to make your family better when it is nothing to you?

I ask myself honestly, I could not do it also and most probably will pay the RM100.

Sigh at the end, it is a dog eats dog world and even its a vicious cycle and we know it is not right, we have to follow it.
Rich pay more so they got more security. Poor will have to depend on their prayers.
If you dont like it, get rich.... regardless.

Sometimes it is easy to understand why when climate change is such important issues and a lot of people suffered due to the increase frequency of natural disasters, we as a human whole could not stop consuming resources; could not even come to a collective agreement to counter it when the Copenhangen deal is at risk.

Perhaps that is why the aliens did not contact us.

In here I will have to apologize on my past remark which hurts a good father feelings in providing the best to the family.

However also i felt helpless in this system but what to do,
its our human nature.....

[kohts]

[trojan]

nowadays, developers are engaging majority foreign workers to build the house. tat could also be a risk becoz the know all the ins-and-outs of the house structure... literally they really build these houses on their own hand.

in this aspect, r u going to boikot of buying houses too in order to minimize foreign workers?

[kohts]

[kohts]

On a lighter side after the 2 page discussion in star today, coincedentally.

I agree security is important.
I will contribute if it is the wish of the majority of my community.
But inside my common sense, this is not a really the correct way and we should do it nationally and effectively, and not limit it to a small compound and etc.

Is gated and guarded reducing the frequency of the crime in total in Malaysia? No.

Is gated and guarded reudcing the frequency of the crime at those privilidge community. Yes (But pushing the crooks to other areas and the vicious cycle continue. Peaceful - spike of crime - security company).

Is gated and guarded reducing the number of high risk, abused low cost foreign numbers? No and in fact is contributing to the numbers.

Ok, lets say as wished by the supporter, everybody have security guards, guard house and roadblock. Then whats next?

So now aside the police, we have more separate security company with its own gang of security guards...... With the police we have so much headeache, and now add some more all the security companies.

Later we have a whole team politicians which is lobbyist and the black hand behind all the security company stating their claim of protection money from each area they control......

But then I guest its hard to fight against the tide, and perhaps only when every corner of Malaysia have security guards, house, roadblocks and become a culture of our Malaysia security.... then we might have more active reaction on reducing it.... but then there will be a full team of lobbyist fighting against change as it reduce their interest and income and will continue to use the fear factor.

Perhaps this is a start of a New Malaysia Security culture which might be an attraction of the foreigneirs and bring foreign income.

One Jail for One Malaysia and the only one in the world.

Who knows.